Wednesday, August 21, 2013

Another Evaluation for Your Consideration

Photo's in this article are by the original author.
I found this excellent article, penned by David (no last name provided) "DOC", on a thread dated 03-03-13 on watchtryst.com

www.watchtryst.com/showthread.php?t=1969

"The Detonics .45 - praise for a legend

As promised, a short treatise on the legendary Detonics .45 ACP pistol, which was and remains my all time favorite .45 auto.

I don't need to get into the efficacy of the .45 ACP round for this. For years after WWII, countless folks were trying to come up with a way to make the basic 1911 Colt-pattern pistol into a smaller package for easier concealment, with varying degrees of (un)success. The problem, mostly, was how to tame the recoil, especially in a pistol that by necessity would have a shorter slide, and thus a shorter travel when cycling. The usual approach was to use a much stiffer spring with buffer pads at the rear end. The downside to this was that although this could help relieve a good deal of the felt recoil to the hand, it made it nearly impossible to use different types of rounds as the cup pressure of the round had to be more or less mated to the particular spring used. It also did nothing to reduce muzzle flip, another big concern.

Long about the early '70's a couple of guys came up with a radical idea for springing a chopped .45. Instead of a single spring captured at the front end by a spring plug mated to a barrel-bushing, use a self-contained multiple spring unit, with the springs counterwound to cancel out the wave-pulse generated when the individual spring is compressed. Make the springs/guide rod/front plug into one self contained unit which never needed disassembly, and while we're at it, get rid of the barrel-bushing (a nuisance part if ever there was one), in favor of a self centering barrel. Keep the rest of the Browning operating system the same; after all, it was nothing if not reliable.


Friday, August 16, 2013

Numbers-Numbers-Numbers


Production numbers are of great interest to collectors as a secondary market opens up on the early production Detonics. The earliest production Combat Masters, manufactured with cut down frames and welded barrels are considered "a carry often, shoot not so much" weapon. The following information from

http://www.biggerhammer.net/detonics/

contains data from 1984 to 1987 the only info I have found to date.  Very difficult to independently verify, but at this point I do not see any glaring reason to challenge the validity as biggerhammer houses a great Detonics forum with contributions reaching back years.





Life After Thirty; It Only Gets Better




The latest innovation from Detonics-the MTX,
features a precision milled frame cut from a solid block of aluminum, features state of the art ergonomic grips designed to place your hand up high on the grips for excellent weapon control, and an indent allowing your fingers an easy reach for the trigger. The rail allows for a  mounted laser or light attachment. Watch for a striker version in the near future. The original Combat Master was a good 25 years ahead of it's time, I suspect the MTX's innovations have it a few years ahead of the pact as well. For more detail check out Dectonics web site.

( http://www.detonicsdefense.com/  )

Saturday, August 10, 2013

Pat Yates, From Concept To Prototype, (must read!)





In this article, dated August 8th 2002, Pat Yates describes the development of his one-off compact .45acp which became the Detonics .45 Combat Master. An amazing read, he addresses most of the issues and solutions of designing a compact one-off .45 acp. This article touches on every aspect of the compact pistol's design. Absorbing this information should give the shooter an edge in understanding what's happening during the firing cycle, and a feel for working with that energy, a major step to mastering this little gun.

" Foreword:   This is a summary of the very early development of what eventually became the Detonics Combat Master series of compact pistols, written by the developer of the first prototype, myself.   It covers the development of the first two prototypes and the eventual sale to the Detonics limited partnership.  From that point on, Detonics devoted considerable additional effort to the refinement of the design, especially the production factors.   There is much of that part of the history of this gun that I can't

1983 Combat Master Product line Description

 

 

Follows a succinct description and price list for Detonic's line of Combat Masters- circa a factory manual from '83;


Detonics Instruction Manual

“Although there are six different models available to the general buying public, a Detonics is a Detonics is a Detonics. Only finish, type of material used and adjustable rear sight differentiate one model from another. The plain-Jane entrant is the Combat Master Mark I, attired in a matte blue finish, fixed sights, with a retail price of $369 (1980). Stepping up a notch, the Mark II is a fixed-sight model dressed in a satin nickel finish with a price tag of $390. The Mark III is handsome in its hard chrome appearance with fixed sights and sells for $488. Variation number IV is resplendent in a

Tuesday, July 9, 2013

CIA, SAS, SEALS

Spook Pistols, secret government contracts, lots of legend surrounds this little beast, as it should. Highly tuned, engineered to work in an environment where malfunctions could cost lives, a combat pistol out of the box. Designed for close combat, designed to stop an aggressors flat in their tracks.
All great stories-but just that. This thread will shed some light on this part of the CM's spooky past.
The Mk VII and the CIA contract truly refuses to die. The most specific version of the tale has a number of Combat Master  MkVIIs (without factory sights) purchased by Langely.



Which Version Combat Master do I Want?


Many people compare the Detonics to Mr. Browning's "Colt" 1911A1, albeit a scaled down version. This is incorrect. The initial prototype and first production Combat Masters were assembled from cut down 1911 frames, but the revolutionary genius of the mechanisms mechanical engineering reflects but a rudimentary similarity to the 1911A1. A close look at a field stripped Combat Master will leave no doubt to it's independent classification.
This thread goes a long way in identifying the evolution of the various models and their time of production. Finish may vary, but functionality remains constant, a Detonics, is a Detonics, is a Detonics!


Monday, July 8, 2013

Marked for Life

Back in '84, finding a Combat Master proved to be a challenge. A broker found one in Florida and soon it was on its way to sunny California. A while later I discoverer Mk numbers, an understanding of which was nearly as elusive as my 30 year search for a spare Detonics magazine.

Follow the read more link for V numbers



Saturday, July 6, 2013

Parts, Are There Parts?

One of the Top 10 Questions

Combat Masters are tough, entirely made of steel and tolerant of abuse. That said, many of the "Seattle" guns have been circulating for 30 years of more. Detonics Defense Technologies out of Millstadt IL have quietly continued the spirit of innovation and quality in the new line of Detonics semi-autos. Original Combat Master parts are stocked. Detonics Defense Technologies, LLC. 609 S. Breese Suite101 Millstadt, IL 62260 618-476-3200 (phone) 618-476-3221 (fax)

 ( detonicsdefense.com/)

This is a list of M1911A1 compatable parts:

Parts Compatibility
Combat Master parts that are compatible with standard Colt Government Model production:
Extractor, firing pin and spring, magazine catch/spring/lock, slide stop/safety plunger assembly, plunger tube, trigger, mainspring housing, mainspring cap, mainspring housing pin retainer, mainspring cap pin, mainspring housing pin, stock screw/bushing, safety lock, hammer pin, sear pin, slide stop, barrel link/pin, disconnector, sear, hammer, hammer strut pin.
Combat Master parts that are different from similar Government Model parts:
Frame, slide, barrel, rear sight, firing pin stop, “grip plate” (grip safety), sear spring, magazine, stock panels, recoil spring guide, recoil spring cap (plug), recoil springs (two or three, depending on model).
Combat Master parts that are in addition to those above:
Recoil spring guide screw.
Sources for replacement parts, non-Colt standard:
“grip plate”, sear spring and hammer strut – Essex Arms
recoil springs – single, Wolff; dual, King’s Gun Works (Officers ACP recoil spring set).
stock panels – Gun Parts Corp.; “slim-line” grips, Brownells.
magazines – Metalform
barrels – Storm Lake Machine
firing pin stop – standard stop can be fitted, and cut flush with top of slide

How To Use This Blog


Scroll to the posted question, open the post to view the information. The original link is included for those wanting to examine more of the thread. Some of the answers run into multiple pages, make sure you hit the read more icon at the end of the paragraph. I will add posts regularly (as time permits). If you have a question, drop it into the comment box. The label links will take you directly to the listed page.
I can not appraise a value of a weapon.

CAUTION: I have not vetted the information retrieved from the various forums. Do not rely on the information presented on this blog for safety or commercial uses.
CAUTION: I am experienced with the Detonics MKV .45 a.c.p., but, my firearms expertise is limited. Always consult expert gunsmiths and credentialed firearm instructors if you have questions on information on this blog.

Hard Steel and .45 cal Stopping Power


* Text from Detonic's Combat Master user manual, circa 1984.

Author's MkV shown with a new production CM magazine, with extended base plate, available from

Detonics Defense Technologies, LL